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William Wroe Golf Course
Topic posted by Ollie ... dated:05 July 2015
I understand that the council would like to sell part of the golf course for building houses. Has anyone heard about this? I thought that this land was covenented to be used for the benefit of local residents.
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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:11 July 2018

I can see why the dog bags wouldn't go in the green bin system as it would spoil the composting, but there's no reason why compostable bags couldn't be used and placed in the grey bin system. These sealed black plastic bags will go to landfill and take years and years to break down before depositing their contents into the earth. Archaeologists are in for a fun time when they dig that lot up. 

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Reply posted by Brian2 ... dated:11 July 2018

I walk the course most days. I try to pick up any old bits of rubbish left lying around as I walk my dog. Obviously litter shouldn't be left in the first place but if everyone  walking around it tried to remove even one piece of litter per walk then the place would be spotless.

As for people leaving dog mess in the now defunct bins then I am at a loss for words. In this heat the smell and the flies are just awful. There is no excuse for not taking waste off the course as there are actual real bins all over the place.

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Reply posted by JohnH ... dated:09 July 2018

I don't think so...council says pooch poo bags to go into grey refuse bins not green recycling. I can't see the black bags being any different.

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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:09 July 2018

Out of interest, these black bags I see all around containing dog excrement - are they compostable?

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Reply posted by Xdcam ... dated:08 July 2018

Since the William Wroe golf course closed, Amey haven’t emptied any bins around the course. After numerous calls to Trafford Council, Amey, and Trafford Leisure who all claimed to have no responsibility? 

After a year of emails I have finally given up. 

In that time myself and some amazing people in the community have emptied bins, removed litter and debris left after individuals have tried to set fire to whatever they can see.

As a responsible dog owner, it’s also difficult to understand other dog owners who bag their dog’s poop and either place it close to a bin! But not quite in the bin, that final step is always difficult.

I often wonder who they think is miraculously emptying these bins, but they still continue to use the bins which are now overflowing, even worse are some dog owners who choose to sling the poo bag in the undergrowth.

I placed signs around the course politely suggesting we are all responsible for the beautiful green space, maybe we could all share the burden and take some responsibility, but no, bins are now overflowing and not being emptied by myself or others as the goodwill is finished.

It’s not ideal that we have councils who have decided that our streets shouldn’t be cleaned, more concerning that some adults and children feel it’s okay to drop litter! I don’t see any national or local campaigns regarding litter. 

Yes we have bigger issues to deal with, we are a civilised nation and surely know the concept of a bin, yet we are one of the most littered countries in Europe, litter is a national embarrassment.

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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:06 July 2018

The only negative is that Amey are not keeping the public footpaths cleared that surround the area.
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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:06 July 2018

As a non-golfer can I just say what a pleasure it is to see this open space returning to nature. So much more interesting to walk around and the wildlife love it. All we need is a pond and a cafe and we have a mini Dunham Massey on our doorstep. Would anyone pay to keep it a non-managed public space?

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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:20 April 2018

Spot on Kilbaha with the detail, the picture is in the Gallery, enter Bottom to locate it.
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Reply posted by Kilbaha ... dated:20 April 2018

Re cattle tunnel - it was 'gated off' (possibly 20+ years ago) and then filled in/grassed over completely about 5 years ago . I think Divad may have a grainy, black & white photo of it.

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Reply posted by Domestus ... dated:19 April 2018

I am now a resident of the USA but was born in Urmston cottage Hospital and brought up in Flixton.

I used to love playing in the area around the William Row and go under the old cattle tunnel under the railway when a train went over.

I was last in the area in ,Feb for my fathers funeral and now Urmston is just being built on everywhere.

People need green belt.

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Reply posted by JohnH ... dated:31 March 2018

It's accepted that two hats are better than one!

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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:31 March 2018

Interesting word, I think it means changing hats.
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Reply posted by AnotherPete ... dated:31 March 2018

"Excapted" ? 

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Reply posted by Jumbo ... dated:31 March 2018

This is all smoke and mirrors, put in a bid for a huge amount of dwellings, then after the locals kick off, reduce it to the size you really wanted to start with, EXCAPTED, job done.

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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:30 March 2018

Funny isn't it that all the spare land seems to be quite wet and not nice to build on. You'd think the council would have worked this out by now.

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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:30 March 2018

There is a shift of focus now as Meadow Road and its farm lands are on the radar. My guess is that anything down there had better carry lots of insurance.
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Reply posted by AnotherPete ... dated:30 March 2018

Mln - evidently you missed this event which happened on Monday. https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/land-at-flixton-station-and-the-former-william-wroe-golf-course-public-engagement-event-tickets-43975335412

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Reply posted by Mln ... dated:30 March 2018

Anyone know whats going on with the proposed housing development? I had heard that the proposals had been scaled-down but it all seems to have gone quiet.  

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Reply posted by Edward ... dated:10 July 2015

According to this recent article in the MEN the workings of the Greater Manchester Combined Authority and the handling of the devolution process are rather opaque.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/devolution-lets-less-secrecy-town-9532772

Sorry but I am unable to post this as a link.

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Reply posted by Edward ... dated:08 July 2015

It sounds dangerous to me.

A one man band and an unelected body able to over-rule elected local councils and do more or less as they please. I am surprised that Trafford agreed to this when they will be in an eight to one minority on the combined authority, effectively dictated to by the likes of Salford and Wigan with the City of Manchester calling the shots.

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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:08 July 2015

Sounds like the opposite to me - they are identifying development sites across GM rather than allowing the 10 councils to botch it up as they protect themselves and serve their own interests. Hospital sites and Network Rail land seems a sensible way to approach things. Individual councils are often overruled now, many decisons are made at GM level or decided on by Central Government.

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Reply posted by Edward ... dated:08 July 2015

According to an article in the MEN, amongst the powers handed to the new Mayor of Greater Manchester under the devolution deal is a land commission with powers over all public land in the district, including not only land owned by the local authorities but also land at hospitals and sites owned by Network Rail. The Mayor's office will also have powers over housing. Be very afraid for our open spaces.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-devolution-mayor-control-over-9613881  Sorry, I am unable to post this as a link but if one copies and pastes it into their browser it should lead to the article in question.

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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:07 July 2015

It depends what ridiculous housing targets are handed to Trafford Council. We still have the Dumplington development on hold and the Carrington gridlock scheme is not fully implemented. The relaxation of planning control is a bigger threat - extensions can literally be built centimeters from your property and you have no say. In some parts of South Trafford it appears as if green space is more valued and protected but you will find many large properties are converted into multiple flats. The nice environment is not so nice when there are too many people using it. Remember the Stamford Brook portion of the National Trust estate has disappeared under brick and tarmac.

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Reply posted by Wozza ... dated:07 July 2015

I can guess it would be on the car park near shaw view. 

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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:07 July 2015

I have no idea ChrisW which subject brought it up. I remember it being disscussed involving extending the golf course through to more at the Flixton House end so that houses could be built on the Penny Lane ridge. At that time I pointed out that the lands are part of the Trafford Flood Basin. I also added the fact they belonged to the people of Urmston and were not for development. Squire Wrights/Councils agreement is inside the house for anyone to read.
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Reply posted by ChrisW ... dated:07 July 2015
Link to topic please Divad?
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Reply posted by Edward ... dated:07 July 2015

I hope this is just a rumour but I fear the worst.

With the current attitude of 'flog it off' and 'farm it out', both locally and nationally, I can visualise there not being a single green open space left in the north of Trafford in ten years' time. We have already lost the green in front of Woodsend shops for development.

Now that Trafford has surrendered various powers to the unelected Greater Manchester Combined Authority we are no longer masters in our own house. The blind acceptance of the Government's devolution package, including responsibility for the region's health provision, designed to get a chunk of the national deficit off the Government's books, could be a financial millstone around local residents' necks indefinitely into the future. Funds will have to be raised by every means possible, so expect more asset, land and building sales plus increases in local taxation, charges and fees. Do not be surprised if the Contax rears its ugly head again in a couple of years' time.

I hope that I am proved wrong but I fear this area will be very different in ten years' time.
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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:05 July 2015

This has been discussed under another topic but I will add... Over my dead body.
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