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Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Topic posted by Paul Inman ... dated:09 March 2003
Does anyone have photo's of the ML ship that rammed the Ship Canal locks at Irlam ?...I would guess it happened in the late 60's or early 70's. Thanks
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:02 May 2020

Norman, sorry to hear that, I think when things are "back to normal", whenever that is, you may have more success.

Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Norman ... dated:29 April 2020
Hello Graz,

I did as you suggested and received an automatic reply on the 26th April stating my query had been received, and would be answered within the next ten days. So far, so good. I then received another response today (27th) stating that the mailbox I used was not monitored, and that I would not get a reply. It referred me to a site that had all sorts of categories, asked for my address and postcode, and got bogged down in detail without specifically asking what my problem was! I have therefore given up as I do not think I am getting anywhere.

Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:25 April 2020

Hi Norman, from the Council website:

Can I check if a path is a public right of way?

If you wish to check whether a path is a public rights of way please contact us. On receipt, an Officer will check the status of the route on the definitive map and statement of public rights of way. If the route is not recorded as a public right of way it could be a claimed path. If the path is not recorded then the Council does not have any responsibility to maintain it.


Tel: 03330 035865

Email: traffordhighways@amey.co.uk

Post: Tatton House,11 Caldey Road, Roundthorn Industrial Estate, Manchester, M23 9LF

Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Norman ... dated:25 April 2020

Just as an afterthought - I had a walk along the old railway line and canal bank this morning (Thursday 23rd April)  and discovered that if you are fairly slim like me, it is possible to slip between the junction of the new fence and the old one bordering the water treatment plant. Whilst I was cogitating over this a police van appeared so I asked the officers if they knew if there is a public right of way. One of them checked via his phone which showed a map with a green line that he said would appear to show a public right of way.

Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Norman ... dated:25 April 2020

Hello Ivor.

I am not having any luck in getting through to the powers that be. My email bounced back immediately with a note "undeliverable - no such user".

I then tried the phone number but received a recorded message stating all lines were busy so try again later. I did with the same result!

Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Ivor ... dated:21 April 2020

I refer to your topic regarding the former railway line and path between uplands road near Landsdown Road  leading down to jack lane.my os map shows it as public right of way[prow] to Irlam Road. Google map shows it as path with dotted lines down to the canal then onto Irlam locks pass the new fencing and beyond. It might be a unrecorded prow. I suggest you to contact the highway infomation officer at Trafford council sale waterside on 0161 912 3342 or email harrison@trafford.gov.uk


Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Norman ... dated:09 April 2020

I went on my "allowed execise walk" this morning passing over Irlam Lock. The damged steel fencing has been repaired and on my outward journey from Irlam Road there was a man who was compelled to return all the way to the railway bridge then along the old low level railway embankment. On my return I encountered another couple in the same circumstances.

This poses the question (which has never been definitely answered previously), Is there a public right of way or not? 

If so, whoever is responsible appears to have simply ignored this and had it fenced due to the unsafe state of the footpath alongside the canal between the railway bridge and Irlam Locks. If this is the case it does not make it safer because people still pass the unsafe section before discovering they have to return back over the same unsafe section! This section has subsided several times over the years.

Perhaps the loss of access is something to do with the proposed water turbine at the locks? Most of the trees have been chopped down recently in the vicinity.

Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Tom ... dated:13 December 2016

So almost ten years later and still the bank hasn't been repaired.  A palisade fence has now been erected, although someone has bent it back to create an access point.

Peel must be a bit skint, what with spending all that money they don't have on the new Liverpool dock, and in Salford.  It must be a hard life.

Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Tom ... dated:29 February 2016

Peel are responsible for it but don't count on them repairing it.  The footpath between Warburton Bridge and Partington, a right of way whose maintenance they are legally responsible for, has been closed due to landslip for at least 15 years.

Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Oscar ... dated:29 February 2016

Don't know who is resposible for it but that was the cross country route when I was at Wellacre, can't imagine they let the little darlings that near the water nowadays. I just don't know how we all managed to get round the course without drowning, must have been a miracle.

Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Wozza ... dated:29 February 2016

As it was a nice day me and a friend went for a run down the old line towards the ship canal. The path at the side of the canal is in a very dangerous state. I'm not sure who is responsible for this my guess is Peel, but I could be wrong.

I'm sure members of our council watch the forum so please can you do somthing about it.

Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Tom ... dated:08 October 2008
It's annoying that. The bank collapse started about 7 years ago, and they've done nothing to fix it. It isn't a big job either, just some pilings and backfill. It could be repaired in just a couple of days.

BTW, you can get around the fence.

There's nothing on the OS maps about a right of way so I doubt one exists. The path will likely be the property of Peel Holdings.
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by MrT ... dated:08 October 2008
Since the collapse of the bank near Irlam locks, a large steel fence has now been erected preventing access to the old line. Many people used to use this route for dog walking/cycling or running. Does anybody know if this is a public right of way?
PS. There are plenty of photos regarding the Manchester Courage Incident at:- www.transportarchive.org.uk
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Tom ... dated:28 October 2007
Per tonne its much more efficient to transport goods on boats, I would imagine the figures you quote Herb don't take that into account - there are just a lot more boats floating around than planes flying around.

Anyway, the Tesco barge is using Irlam Container Terminal, which is here. The bottling plant is on Fairhills road, here and is called Kingsland Wines. And yes I'm bored which is why I found this out :/
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Herb ... dated:25 October 2007
Wasn't there something in the news lately that the worlds shipping contributes twice as much CO2 as planes? So maybe Tesco should be flying the containers from Liverpool to Barton?
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:24 October 2007
Pete,
The answer to the question of why are they named Irlam Locks is that, after looking at the OS for that time, they are in Irlam. Only the Sluices are in Flixton.
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by MarkO ... dated:24 October 2007
I have also seen going through Warrington Bank Quay train station as massive freight train with Tesco containers on it. Alas they will also probably need moving by a lorry to their final destination, but one train to pull about 40 containers compared to 40 lorries over a 200 mile stretch is better? Same for the containers on the ship canal I would imagine.

Personally I think the true driver (excuse the pun!)here its likelt to be paying for a ship and crew versus the number of lorry drivers and lorries it would take to move that amount of containers. Tesco are helping to reduce CO2 at them same time so the PR people will claim its greener.

Probably true, unless someone with the time could calculate the emissions of the trucks versus the boat?
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Tom ... dated:23 October 2007
Yes, for all of about a mile. Much better than the 40 miles along the M62.
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by DavidU ... dated:22 October 2007
"so that's even more lorries off the motorway."

The containers still have to be transported to their final destination once they are landed on the wharf at Irlam. Unless Peel intends to restore the M.S.C. railway then the lorries will just be transferred to the A57.
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Tom ... dated:22 October 2007
I think it's fantastic that Tesco are using the canal, and the barge looks to be low enough not to have to force the use of the many swing bridges along the length of the canal, which is great for local traffic.

I'm presuming they'll also find a use for the empty containers, so that's even more lorries off the motorway.
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:21 October 2007
The accident occurred on 16th March. 1969 The ‘Manchester Courage’ crashed into the Irlam Locks after her arrival from the builders, she suffered a control failure while approaching the locks. The intended route was to go astern but the propeller went full ahead ploughing the ship into the gates.

The results were, closure of the canal, flooding to the lower reaches and a drastically reduced service to and from Liverpool. The Port Authority reported that this was the worst event of its kind in the history of the Manchester Ship Canal. It took five weeks to repair the locks before all could return to normal.

The ‘Manchester Courage’ was sold in 1979 to Liberia and was renamed ‘Pacific Container’.
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:21 October 2007
Paul there is a photo in the Gallery under "Transport"
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Enigma ... dated:21 October 2007
If you read the article it states 40 miles up the River Mersey AND the Ship Canal.
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Herb ... dated:21 October 2007
I see that Tesco is to start using the MSC to bring containers up the canal to Irlam locks. See this article in the Messenger
I hope someone on the barge knows where the brakes are because it states they are coming 40 miles up yet the MSC is only 56 kms (34.8 miles)long.
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Pete ... dated:24 March 2003
Why are the locks named Irlam Locks and not Flixton Locks?
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Trev Scott ... dated:17 March 2003
Here is a link to some info http://users.iclway.co.uk/g8hxe/irlam_locks.htm
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Barry Whitnall ... dated:12 March 2003
P.S. No photograph though
Re: Manchester Liners...Irlam Locks
Reply posted by Barry Whitnall ... dated:12 March 2003
I was looking for this last weeK! I came across the info by searching through Google for "Manchester Liners". I was doubting my own sanity as to whether it happened or not. WELL IT DID!! It was in March 1969 and the ship was called "Manchester Courage". Do a search for Irlam locks, and see what else you get. It might take some digging.
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