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Topic posted by ericJ ... dated:07 April 2008
With these elections just over 3 weeks away how do we find out who is standing in each Ward? What is the best way to judge a Candidate, how do we believe the Election Literature and why do candidates not bother to Canvas anymore so we can see what they look like.
I have heard a well known new face is standing in Urmston.
Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:06 April 2019
Local elections are more efficient - they count the votes. If someone isn't happy with the result and there is a possibility of a miscount then they count again. The winner is the candidate with the most votes. No crying involved. 
Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:06 April 2019

In each of the four wards of Greater Urmston we have a choice of five candidates; Conservative, Green, Labour, Liberal Democrat or UKIP. Take your pick and put your cross on May the 2nd.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:30 March 2019

I have voted in every election in which I have been eligible since I was 21 (As it was in those days). If I do not vote then I have no grounds for complaint when the department of daft ideas makes a mess of things.

It is a little early to deliver poll cards before nominations close next Wednesday and it is not known if a poll is required although I do not expect any candidate to be returned unopposed in Trafford! In my own ward I already know that there will be at least two candidates seeking election and probably at least two more. From the literature which I have seen so far I do wonder where some people have been for the last few years and hope that they do not seek a seat on the Education Committee until they learn where to put an apostrophe!

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Oscar ... dated:29 March 2019

Oscar, I'm not clear what you're referring to. It sounds to me as though you're talking about the fiasco at national level. But these are local elections, and last year's elections certainly brought about a change on Trafford Council.

What I am saying is I could use up my free time and actually go out and vote but what happens if I vote for the winning party but the losing side don't like it, they will cry and moan reletlessley until the decision is reversed to the way they want it.

Why would I bother to put the effort in only for that to happen?

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Reply posted by Aardvark ... dated:29 March 2019

Oscar, I'm not clear what you're referring to. It sounds to me as though you're talking about the fiasco at national level. But these are local elections, and last year's elections certainly brought about a change on Trafford Council.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:29 March 2019

What you are saying is true but unless a vote is used nothing can change. Have your say and show your postion about the council, that's what its for.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Oscar ... dated:28 March 2019

Just had the local polling card through the door, went straight in the bin without even bothering to read it. Is anyone else here actually going to bother to vote this time after the way we have been stitched up just lately, surely it would just be a waste of time and effort.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Herb ... dated:07 May 2018

I agree with Edward in the fact that Davyhulme East has always been a safe Tory seat. I can remember when I lived on the Wimpey estate when councillors Eadie were alive, that they never had to canvas or leaflet drop the Wimpey estate because they knew it had a lot of Tory voters

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Reply posted by Atlantean ... dated:07 May 2018

Oh the irony of concerns over pollution and potholes and the proliferation of SUVs and 4X4s on the road...

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Reply posted by Edward ... dated:07 May 2018

A couple of surprises. I thought that Davyhulme West and Flixton might go. Both wards have had Labour and Liberal councillors in the past as well as Tories. As far as I can recall Davyhulme East has never been anything other than a safe Tory seat since the formation of Trafford in the 1970s. The biggest surprise must be the Greens taking Altrincham although I do not know the local circumstances. At least my previous guess of No Overall Control turned out to be correct!

I suspect the closure of leisure / sports facilities and the overdevelopment of greenbelt land plus the Tidy Garden Tax (It did not go down well in my neighbourhood) might have swung it in Greater Urmston.

I wonder if the Tories will attempt to have the Davyhulme West and Flixton results set aside on a technicality?

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Reply posted by Herb ... dated:06 May 2018

AnotherPete - If only we had had Urmston.net & other forum sites 25 years ago, then maybe we could have stopped TC being built. During all the Public Enquiries & planning meetings I was the only one objecting to TC being built, but my 10 bob note was not great enough too challenge Peel Holdings big money  

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by AnotherPete ... dated:06 May 2018

Doubtful. It was more likely the plans to build on eg William Wroe, the state of the roads, air pollution etc. Paying 70-something pence per week to have garden waste taken away isn't quite as significant. 

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Herb ... dated:06 May 2018

I think the green bin tax tipped a lot of the Tory voters over the edge to vote Labour, especially in Davyhume East, Davyhulme West & Flixton.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:05 May 2018

"I assume it's to pay for a copy of the electoral register, but is worded badly."

You are probably right. The Open (edited) register is available to anybody for a fee and may be used for commercial purposes.

The Full (unedited) register is only available for inspection under supervision by arrangement at the Council officies. It is available for use in law enforcement, credit references and a few other purposes laid down in law.

At one time election candidates and their agents were supplied with a free copy of the electoral register for their chosen ward (or constituency). I do not know if this is still the case nor which version is supplied, free or otherwise.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Oscar ... dated:04 May 2018

So what's finally pushed the Davyhulme & Flixton Conservative residents over the edge? Probably the state of the roads and the green belt proposals. No overall control is true democracy isn't it - everyone involved in decisions that affect the borough. 

Seriously, who would vote for the tories these days? I would have once upon a time when they represented the working man who wanted to get along in life, it used to be a no brainer, low taxes, help to get on the housing market, a free world. People that were lazy and either on strike or the dole use to vote Labour, it was very simple.

Just lately though what are the benefits of a Tory governement, council tax is just as high as everywhere else, roads are a mess, billions still going overseas, welfare state is still out of control, the war on the motorist certainly isn't over as stated by Hammond nearly a decade ago. They are just as parasitic and full of self serving leaches as all the other parties.

Just for balance though I am stunned that so many people vote for Labour, what can they bring to the table, you might as well open your wallet and stick the vacuum nozzle in there.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:04 May 2018

I assume it's to pay for a copy of the electoral register, but is worded badly.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:04 May 2018

Whilst navigating Trafford's web site for the local election results I came across a page for Electoral Registration Payment.

This is new to me. Does anyone have any idea what it is about?

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:04 May 2018

So what's finally pushed the Davyhulme & Flixton Conservative residents over the edge? Probably the state of the roads and the green belt proposals. No overall control is true democracy isn't it - everyone involved in decisions that affect the borough.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by JohnH ... dated:04 May 2018

In M41 Labour won Davyhulme East, Davyhulme West and Flixton.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by JohnH ... dated:04 May 2018
Conservatives have lost control of Trafford Council - the party's only council in Greater Manchester and its flagship northern council. 

The party lost five seats leaving the local authority with no party in overall control. Labour is the largest party with 30 seats.The Conservatives have 29 seats and the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party have two seats each. Labour gained four, the Green Party gained two, and the Lib Dems lost one.
Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Oscar ... dated:02 May 2018

Is there even any point in voting? the losing side will just cry and stamp their feet until they get their own way.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:02 May 2018

Yes Graz, those and other sites which keep track on our elected representatives are very useful.

I am much less at ease with the set-up of the unelected Greater Manchester Combined Authority presided over by one person under the terms of the devolution deal.

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:02 May 2018

Behind the smokescreen of local elections, councillors are sat on various committees and groups influencing and voting through policies that affect us all. This page is useful, you can see who sits on which committees.

Link

And this one lists their attendance record and interests

Link

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:02 May 2018

Hi Min,

The Tories always hype up the possibility of their loss of control of Trafford / Parliament (delete as appropriate), threatening dire consequences and the end of the world as we know it should they lose overall control or the other people happen to win, just to keep their own supporters in line and frighten the undecided. They have used the same tactic in elections dating back to the last century. I have a mass of election propaganda from various parties dating back to the 1970s in a drawer at home and there is nothing new under the sun.

Personally I find knocking copy slagging off other parties and fear tactics telling us what they think we should believe to be other parties' intentions to be a big turn off. I want to hear what are their intentions towards us and the district for the next four years. Let the other parties speak for themselves. Don't take us for fools with claims about the lowest Council Tax then slapping on a £40pa Tidy Garden Tax the month following the elections. What will the Tidy Garden Tax be this year? £40? £50? £60? Will we be having a Paper Tax this year, say £40 to empty the blue bin followed by a Tin Tax next year to empty the black bin?

One thing which I have noticed in the four Greater Urmston wards is that very few of the candidates actually live in the ward which they seek to represent. Where I live none of the candidates actually live here. However, in each of the four Greater Urmston wards we do have a choice of five candidates; Green, Labour, Liberal Democrat, Tory and UKIP. Take your pick but please do go and vote for someone.

One or two wards might change hands but I would be surprised if there were to be an electoral earthquake. I might be completely wrong but I think that the most that is likely to happen is Trafford to go to No Overall Control rather than Under New Management, which just might mean that the councillors of various parties actually have to cooperate with each other to progress business rather that one partisan group being in a position to railroad through their pet scheme..

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Mln ... dated:02 May 2018

Heard today that the Trafford Council elections could be quite interesting this time.  Tories are in overall countrol of the council at the moment but a small swing to Labour could give them power, although possibly with the help of the Liberals.  Any views on this?

One thing that did suprise me was a leaflet through the door today from UKIP. Was not expecting that!

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Wehttam ... dated:31 May 2016

Mike, I can't believe Trafford doesn't have a conservation officer anymore, that's an absolute shambles! Who comments on planning permissions in relation to listed buildings?! I'm guessing its now just a standard planning officer which is an absolute disgrace.

I'm guessing we will struggle to get new buildings listed too now as it's not in Traffords interests to employ a consultant to process the listing. Utterly disgraceful and underhand, was this ever publicised? 

I note that their website still refers to the 'Councils Conservation officer':

http://www.trafford.gov.uk/planning/planning-for-householders/listed-buildings.aspx

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by clrMikeCordingley ... dated:20 May 2016

Divad,

Yes I'd agree. I always find it interesting. There's a mistrust of politicians generally. Some, notably Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson; but there's examples from the left too, portray themselves as breaking the mould, I'm afraid I'm sceptical as to how far we believe the personnas they present to us; but the mistrust of all politicians is tangible.

And if the public distrust all politicians, why wouldn't they vote for the parties most likely to minimise their taxed contribution? I agree with Edd that it's a perfectly rational decision.

Yet we know that there is a need for communities to act collectively in commissioning various services: sewage, roads, burials, schools, health, town planning, policing, licensing and all the rest. You might argue that we've transferred some of these to private companies, notably water/sewage but we've no choice of the provider, we have to have the service; and it was originally commissioned collectively either through rates, or public subscription. So I don't think anyone argues that we shouldn't have collective provision.

My worry and my motivation is that we're going too far, that actually our rational desire to reduce to the minimum what we provide collectively is creating new and really damaging inefficiencies. I'll give just two non-mainstream examples:

Japanese Knotweed on public land - we're not dealing with it at all quickly and it's getting worse - effectively it's getting to a point where it becomes out of control. Hugely damaging to property, hugely damaging to the natural environment. Trafford is not exempt.

Buildings conservation - appreciate it doesn't matter to everyone, but I think generally, regardless of where we are on the political spectrum, a substantial proportion of society have decreed that certain historically or architecturally significant buildings should be preserved.

In my part of the borough, these listed buildings are mainly from our industrial heritage. Trafford no longer has a Conservation officer. It puts the minimal effort into this provision and it shows. Have a look at the Trafford Park Hotel on Village Way and Duckett's Essence Factory on Chester Road. We know what happens when buildings are allowed to deteriorate beyond a certain point. We're in danger of losing heritage. There may be no alternative, but I don't believe shutting down the dedicated role was efficient, given that the removal coincided with an acceleration in the neglect of these buildings and others.

Those are just two examples and there's many more in every area of work, services just being closed down, particularly those that won't be immediately noticed. Some such as the Japanese Knotweed control will cost us all more in the long run, others will just be a regret, a loss. And if I'm honest, I can't promise that we would have increased the provision had we gained control. If it's going to change, it'll be because the public demand it of politicians and parties.

Mike Cordingley
Labour Councillor for Gorse Hill Ward
gorsehill-labour.co.uk

Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:20 May 2016

From the comments Mike, it would seem it is not the tax increases that worry people, it is what Council do with the money that causes alarm.
Re: Local Elections
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:20 May 2016

Edd, your beloved Tories are not immune from raising taxes, they just sneak them in behind the curtain. Although they make a great play about the headline rates of income tax they happily bump up other taxes.

When Mrs T. came to power in 1979 VAT was 8% and when John Major left office in 1997 it was 17.5%, more than double. When C. and O. came to power in 2010 VAT was still 17.5%, now it is 20%.

Six years ago Insurance Premium Tax was 5% + 17.5% on warranties, now it is 10% + 20%.

Airline passenger tax ranged from £11 to £55 six years ago, now it ranges from £13 to £146.

Even during the period of Labour's administration in Trafford the increase in Council Tax, although steep at 10.5% in the years that national government shafted certain local councils with drastically reduced support grants, was still much less than the national average increase of 12.9%.

The least said the better when in 1991 the Major government had to increase VAT to 17.5% to bail out the Poll Tax.

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