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History of Craig Avenue
Topic posted by DeborahW ... dated:18 June 2013
I am tracing my family history and my Grandparents lived at 13 Craig Avenue in the 1930's and 40's, but on their marriage certificate, it states the bride's address as being 'Barlick Tor, Craig Avenue'.  Does anyone know what this may mean?  Could it be a house name before numbers were introduced?  Also, does anyone know when these houses were built (roughly)? I would be most grateful for anyone's help or insight. Many thanks!
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Reply posted by Carol ... dated:04 September 2017
Hi, I met up with my friend Janet yesterday and she told me about your History of Craig Avenue.  My Nana, then my Mum and Dad lived at 15 Craig Avenue. My Nana moved in about1936/7 and she knew your Grandma very well. My Mum also remembers your Grandma and the Anniversay for Mrs and Mr Web. If you happen to read this please get intouch and I can fill you in on some information. Carol  
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Reply posted by Lizdoll ... dated:29 August 2013
So sorry, I should have read your later posts before I jumped in. You are obviously not interested in the Bellamy's. However, I have asked my Mum to ask the current occupant of no. 13 if it is called 'Barlick Tor'.
I have an ordnance survey map dated 1926. It shows only four houses on the side of the avenue which were given odd numbers. There is no bungalow in 1926. The houses were built on an Orchard and consequently all the gardens had fruit trees in them.
Re: History of Craig Avenue
Reply posted by Lizdoll ... dated:29 August 2013
Hi, I may be able to help you. I use to live at no. 11 Craig Ave right next door to no. 13 (the bungalow). My parents bought no. 11 in the late 1940's. The people at no 13 were called Bellamy. They had a daughter that I only knew at Mrs Webb. Mr Bellamy took great pride in his garden growing vegetables. He use to wear a navy blue beret when he was working outside. I believe before he retired he use to travel between France and England dealing in Velvet cloth. When Mr Bellamy died, Mrs Webb moved to Wales. The houses were built in the early 1900's No 1 and 3 were built first, then 5 & 7 and lastly 9 and 11. The people who built the houses all ended up living in them. The bungalow was built later. All the houses had names before they were numbered. The bungalow has only changed hands three times since the Bellamy's owned but there have been many changes since then. My Mum has a photo taken inside the bungalow at a birthday party for Mr Bellamy taken sometime during the 50's I think. It shows my Mum and Dad, the neighbours from no. 15 and Mr. Bellamy and Mrs Webb. I am seeing my Mum tomorrow I will see if she has any further info for you. I trust the Bellamy's are your relatives. Regards
Re: History of Craig Avenue
Reply posted by DeborahW ... dated:02 July 2013
Oh bless you Bettyboop!  Hope the arm improves!  I don't have any photos of the house and the view on Street View is poor due to a wall and trees!  They lived at the bungalow opposite the junction with Beechfield Avenue, so coming from Moorside Road, it was half way along on the left hand side.  As far as I can see, this is the only bungalow on the street, but specifically if your mum can remember whether the houses were named or numbered when she lived there, that would be useful.  The name "Barlick Tor" is proving very elusive!  I don't think that was the name of this bungalow, as we have letters dated from 1945 which call it "The Bungalow".  Many thanks
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Reply posted by Bettyboop ... dated:01 July 2013
Hi just spoken to mum, all she could say was that it rang a bell about your mum being a widow. have you got a photo of the house, have you been x on street view to look? sorry short message, typing with one hand, arm in sling!
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Reply posted by DeborahW ... dated:27 June 2013
Hi Bettyboop, thanks for your reply, I would love you to ask your Mum if you don't mind!  My Grandparents were called Ethel and Wilfred Goddard, and whilst living there, they had three children, Jean in 1936, Barry in 1940 and Anthony (my Dad) was born in 1945.  What might jog your Mum's memory is that Wilfred was conscripted to join the RAF during the war, and he was actually shot down and killed in September 1944 whilst Ethel was pregnant with my Dad, so I'm sure if she knew Ethel, she would remember a pregnant widow.  Any tiny scrap of information would be so gratefully received, many thanks :-)
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Reply posted by Bettyboop ... dated:26 June 2013
Hi, did your mother live there as a child too, as well as your grandparents? If you give me the full details of their names, I will ask my mum, she lived at No. 30 Craig Avenue (Flixton Girls School end) from about 1940 through to about 2000.  I was there from 1963 to about 1984 and Barlick Tor or Barlick Top rings no bells whatsoever. Kind regards.
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Reply posted by DeborahW ... dated:24 June 2013
p.s. Thanks David for your message - I tried to reply but it was returned to me, but many thanks for your time :-)
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Reply posted by DeborahW ... dated:21 June 2013
Hi Dogged, thanks for taking the time to look that up and reply.  You are spot on with Wilfred's details - he was indeed born at 11 Mattison Street, Higher Openshaw but I think that is the wrong Ethel - ours is the daughter of Joseph Steele Chadwick and Harriet Ann Hassell, born in Congleton.
 
Wilfred and Ethel married at St George's in Abbey Hey but we know for a fact they did live at no. 13 Craig Avenue after they married, and the marriage certificate clearly states under bride's address "Barlick Tor, Craig Avenue, Flixton" so I was just curious.  It could be the name of no.13 before numbers came in, but we have letters addressed to them in 1944 and it was just no.13 by then with no house name, so I just thought I'd ask!  Keep your ideas coming, I am most grateful!
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Reply posted by DeborahW ... dated:20 June 2013
Hi Roxy, yes it is mainly family history I'm interested in but I'm intrigued by this entry of 'Barlick Tor', Craig Avenue on their marriage certificate as it seems no-one has ever heard of it.  Perhaps whatever it was has since been knocked down?  My grandmother worked as live-in domestic service at this time, so it could be her employers residence but looking at the houses on the street, there is nothing there now that looks like a house standing today that would employ servants.  Do you have any thoughts?  Many thanks
Re: History of Craig Avenue
Reply posted by Dogged ... dated:20 June 2013
Deborah, I don't know if this might help but from what I've looked at, if it's right, then the following may do.
 
According to census information it is possible that your Grandfather, Wilfred, lived at 11 Mattison Street in Higher Openshaw the son of Wilfred and Gertrude. Also your grandmother, Ethel, lived at 60 Montana Street Higher Openshaw the daughter of walter and Anne ( Anne's middle name is Taylor). In regard to their marriage  in 1933 it was registered in the South Manchester District, which encompasses Openshaw.
 
If this information is correct then possibly the refernce to "Barlick Top" could refer in that area and not necessarily Davyhulme.
 
Hope this helps.
Re: History of Craig Avenue
Reply posted by Roxy ... dated:19 June 2013
Hi Deborah is it just those years you are interested in or is it where your Grandmother was born etc
Re: History of Craig Avenue
Reply posted by DeborahW ... dated:19 June 2013
Thanks again Divad, I would love further help so I will message you privately once the site allows me to.  I'm only 40, so I sincerely hope waiting another 18 years to seen the 1931 census isn't too much to ask!!!!  Answers before then though would be wonderful so I'll be in touch soon.  I have noted your other suggestions and thanks again for your kind help and interest :-)
Re: History of Craig Avenue
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:19 June 2013
Deborah you will be dead and long gone waiting for the 1931-1941 census, they only come out every 100 years. Try Trafford Local Study at Sale to see if they have a street directory closer to the years you seek. I can confirm the names of Goddard and Chadwick do not feature for Craig Avenue until after 1928, only if you know where they lived before then can I possibly help with further searching. Good Luck and keep trying.
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Reply posted by DeborahW ... dated:19 June 2013
Thank you Divad for your great reply.  My Grandmother was Ethel Steele Chadwick who married Wilfred Goddard in October 1933.  They lived at no. 13 Craig Avenue as a married couple after the wedding (not sure how long after, certainly up to 1948) but it was the 'Barlick Tor' that was puzzling me.  I had indeed found the place name Barnoldswick on google but I couldn't connect this to a property on Craig Avenue, but the date the street was built is most useful, thank you.  My Grandmother was in domestic service so my theory is that she was living in at 'Barlick Tor', then wished to remain local so moved into no. 13 after marrying and remained working for the family without lodgings but without identifying the property, this is a guess.  I need the 1931 and 1941 census!!!  Thank you for your information, and anything further you could add would be most welcome, kind regards.
Re: History of Craig Avenue
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:18 June 2013
Without an actual surname I have to engage in some speculation for the answer you are looking for Deborah. Craig Avenue was built on the lands to the rear of the Wesleyan Chapel off Moorside Road. It dates from around the late 1920's, my directory shows a time of 1928, so it would have been slightly before that. The list shows ten named homes but none under the calling you have of Barlick Tor. This suggests it came later or was renamed after 1928. As this address was shown as your Grandmother's it also suggests she was in residence with family prior to the wedding and not as a married lady. Most home addresses were named back then as a numbering system for post was only slowly being introduced. The calling you have originates as a place close to the boundary of Yorkshire and Lancashire called Barnoldswick which was shortened by locals as Barlick, a Tor is a small mountain. My documents show names according to 'left or right' along the avenue from Moorside which doesn't guide me in tracking No 13, again a name would be better. It is a start for your search and I hope it helps.
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