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Eden Square car park
Topic posted by Christine ... dated:05 June 2009
A topic about the 3 hours free parking at Eden Square car park.
Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Oscar ... dated:09 July 2017

Been down to Atkinson Road car park and they have changed the signs to pay and display, does anyone have any idea when this happened?

Just for clarity I'm talking about the car park behind the shops, more like a bit of wasteground than a car park. Not the pay and display nearer Glouster road.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Oscar ... dated:09 July 2017

Well said Graz, nobody should ever just conform without asking questions first and this applies to confrontations with the police as well.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:08 July 2017

Divad, it's common sense and sometimes common sense is needed over unnecessary requests. If the car park have a record of your vehicle entering and leaving the car park then there is really no need for anyone to have to obtain a paper ticket. Blindly complying with requests from 'authority' is how people end up being scammed and having money taken from them. If the parking company has decided it's now not required to have a paper ticket, what does that tell you about the need to have it in the first place? Question everything, especially when someone is wearing a uniform!

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:08 July 2017

Unbelievable, free parking for three hours and yet some people cannot comply with a request of compliance. It has become so typical of todays society where hand outs in general are the norm.
Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Oscar ... dated:08 July 2017

Another pete - I was well aware of the need to supposedly get a ticket, I remember there was some discussion about it on here at the time. I also saw several people fannying about at the machine every time I went but I just couldn't be bothered with the mither involved. Even parking eye would be mad to try and take someone to court for parking in a free car park for less than the alotted time, I can understand if they had no record of what time you entered but they have those "infallable" ANPR cameras.


Rozzer - Because its just an invoice and not a ticket, and its an unenforceable invoice at that. Not really done the groundwork on it yet but a quick look at streetview and the notices just mention unauthorised parking, therefore they are signs that prohibit so no offer=no cotract, also I was authorised by a shop keeper, doesn't say who you need to get authorisation off.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Rozzer ... dated:08 July 2017
Oscar, why won't you be paying it?
Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by AnotherPete ... dated:08 July 2017

Oscar - Eden Square car park has changed management from Parking Eye to Horizon. As for never getting a ticket before, there was a huge banner sign at the "chicane" when you drove in telling you to get a ticket on arrival. Seemingly you didn't see or chose to ignore this, but it was there from as soon as the ANPR system was installed. 

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Oscar ... dated:07 July 2017

Cant say I've ever bothered getting a ticket when I've parked there, just parked up and walked off. On another note I thought it was Parking Eye that managed the car park not Horizon. ITs certainly Parking eye who manage the car park (if you can call it that) down Atkinson Road as I have managed to get an invoice off them. Won't be paying it though obviously.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Aardvark ... dated:04 July 2017

As of Saturday last, 1st July, the procedure for using Eden Square car park has been greatly simplified. If your visit is less than three hours, you don't have to do anything: no registration, no ticket, nothing. If you find that your visit takes more than three hours, then you need to buy a ticket before you leave.

There are more details on the Eden Square website but here's the gist of it:

Listening to our customers and retail tenants feedback, we understood that the current car park system was difficult to use.

Working with Horizon Parking we have developed a new customer friendly system that will allow customers to park for up to 3 hours for free.

There will be no need to take a ticket or enter your vehicle registration if staying less than 3 hours. 

For those customers who require longer, when ready to leave they simply visit a pay station enter their vehicle registration on a large touch-screen machine and pay for their duration of stay. The pay station machines will assist customers in recalling their vehicle registration.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:14 July 2016

It would not matter if the entrance / exit and the ramps to / from the upper level faced the approach road or faced the park, they would still occupy the same area. Had the entrance been directly end on from the approach road the area occupied by the serpentine access route would have been available for parking.

On reflection the access road was probably routed as it is around the end of the car park because of accomodating the original touch-screen barriers. There is nowhere on the approach road where barriers could have been located without interfering with the access to Sainsbury's service yard or the police's yard or else being too close to the traffic lights. It is a pity that the police put their barn in the wrong place or there could have been a straight access past the original barriers and then a single turn into the car park.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Tom ... dated:13 July 2016

Having the entrance road run outside the car park (as opposed to inside it) allows for more parking spaces.  It's that simple.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by SteveW ... dated:12 July 2016
The tight bends do cause problems. Many times as I have been exiting, I have had to either stop or swing dangerously close to the pillar as vehicles (particularly longer wheelbase ones) cross the centre line turning in. There seems to be a common theme with the Urmston Precinct car parks, the previous one exited sharply left onto a vary narrow access road - it being impossible, even in as small a car as a mk1 Fiesta, to exit without crossing the centre-line ... which was of course impossible if vehicles were queuing to turn in!

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by AnotherPete ... dated:12 July 2016

Edward - I'm not a town planner or a designer of car parks, hence my "I suspect".  However, if the car park entrance was directly where you go across the zebra crossing and there was a lane with bays on either side right there, people would most likely drive quickly into the car park, then immediately slow down to search for a bay, and this would cause bunching of traffic in my opinion.  By having the system they opted for (which personally I have never had an issue with, even when the old touch screen barriers were installed) traffic is slowed down and moves into the car park at a more sustained speed.  I'm sure the planners had their reasons, and if you're really curious you could always get in touch with Ask and, well, ask.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:12 July 2016

"I suspect it's about improving traffic flow, as well as reducing the speed of traffic entering and leaving the car park."

I accept that the layout reduces the speed of the traffic but I have doubts about it improving the traffic flow. Ease or otherwise of flow is probably more to do with the internal layout of the parking area. However a straight access would probably flow better than a single lane access road with three bends, provided there was a decent internal layout without conflicting flows.Traffic leaving the car park also has a very limited sightline of people crossing the approach road from the walkway alongside the car park because of the sharp left hand turn.

"As for the scrapes etc. on the posts around the entrance / exit it just shows that some people can't judge the width of their vehicle."

Exactly. Probably the same people who have problems parking at the roadside and end up half on the footpath!

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by AnotherPete ... dated:12 July 2016

Edward - I suspect it's about improving traffic flow, as well as reducing the speed of traffic entering and leaving the car park.  By having the entrance / exit as it is, vehicles are slowed when they enter the car park as they have to negotiate the turns, and they are similarly slowed when they leave.  If the entrance / exit was straight ahead of you when you turn off Crofts Bank Road I'm sure some drivers would speed straight into the car park and cause vihicular and pedestrian collisions.

As for the scrapes etc. on the posts around the entrance / exit it just shows that some people can't judge the width of their vehicle.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:11 July 2016

What I can not understand is why the entrance and exit to the car park were laid out as they are.

To enter from the street one has to make a sharp right turn, then a sharp left turn, pass the original barriers and then make another sharp left turn to enter the actual car park. On leaving the reverse is the case. The paint on the concrete posts supporting the upper level shows that some people have misjudged the sharpness of the turns.

Why were the entrance and exit not laid out at right angles to the present arrangement, to be directly opposite the approach road? That would have enabled the parking area on both levels to occupy the area now taken up by the current access road, so providing more spaces.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by SteveW ... dated:11 July 2016
Since the give-way has gone in, I've already had someone that was half a car length back from me ignore the give-way when I was in the "priority" lane. Luckily I was ready for it, but others, reassured that they have right of way might not have been. At least without it both drivers were subtly prompted to be aware. I can also see that there could be problems at very busy periods, like Christmas, where no-one from the lower floor can get a gap to pull out into. When there was no give-way, zip merging was more likely to happen.

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Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:10 July 2016

I take it back, this is a great improvement - if someone in front of you is driving annoyingly slowly, just switch lanes, drive alongside them and they have to give way to you.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:27 June 2016

Aside from the fact that the layout has worked since its introduction and didn't need changing, drivers will now switch lanes on exiting the car park to avoid having to give way. If you're leaving from the upper level, watch out for lane-changers. 

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:27 June 2016

"I notice a give way sign has been badly painted on one of the exit roads from the car park. "

It is easier for a driver to check the traffic on their right than that on their left, especially when driving a solid sided vehicle such as a panel van or with a car full of passengers. A check in the o/s external mirror followed by a quick shoulder check provides information about the traffic close alongside when joining a lane to the right. Unfortunately, even when checking traffic conditions proir to joining a lane to the left using the n/s external mirror there can still be blind spots. The internal mirror provides information on the traffic following and approaching from behind but not that to the sides. That is, of course, assuming that all the mirrors are correctly adjusted, are clean and are actually used. Judging by some of the antics witnessed on the roads that does not always seem to be the case.
Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Oscar ... dated:27 June 2016

Makes sense, otherwise people from the top level would never get out in busy periods. Everyone is so self centred nowadays the busy stream of cars from the bottom level would never let anyone out from the top one.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:26 June 2016

I notice a give way sign has been badly painted on one of the exit roads from the car park. There are two exit lanes, the always busy lower level and the not so busy upper level. Guess which lane they've decided to slow the flow of? 

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Dave - urmston.net ... dated:13 March 2016

I've removed some posts from this topic as it was becoming silly. Thanks to the member who informed me.

Herb, I shouldn't have to put a process in place because I trust the members that post directly to the site to make a reaonable effort to stick to the topic and I authorise all other posts.
Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:13 March 2016

The banter between Herb and I did get carried away and I apologise to one and all for hijacking the topic.
Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Herb ... dated:13 March 2016

I take note that some of the messages on here between myself & Divad have been removed & I agree with this because it is nowt to do with 'Eden Square car park', but surely ALL messages should be removed. 

Dave at Urmston.net, can you set up a 'remove' system so that we can do this without you having to do it?

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Oscar ... dated:12 March 2016

Dave is obviously part of the PC brigade.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Tom ... dated:11 March 2016

Yes, but, what about the whareabouts of your car? I assume that the phone lives in your pocket and is not fixed to the car. 

"Your honour, only I drive my car and I can prove I was at x location at y time, and that that location is only accessible in those time limits by driving a car."

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Tom ... dated:11 March 2016

I have to say, I've only once had a ticket after parking in a car park, and that was a council-run affair over in Oldham.  They ticketed me for a non-existant offence, I appealed, they refused, so I went to the adjudicator, who came down on my side and cancelled the ticket.

As for private car parks, I've never had any trouble with them.  Enter, pay what you owe, leave, that's it.  If the ANPR made a mistake and presumed I'd stayed there longer than I was allowed, I don't think I'd have any issue defending myself, not with my Android phone keeping a track record of my whereabouts every day.

Re: Eden Square car park
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:10 March 2016

That is bordering on childish Oscar. To be that against cycling is not any way to go or think even if you personally don't ride one. Certain is there are no fumes from a bike and although you don't seem to grasp it, they do have the same rights as a car on the road. I don't drive and I don't cycle and I don't cry about not getting my way.

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