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Did you vote?
Topic posted by Chris ... dated:05 May 2006
I didn't bother voting, I no it is my right and lots of people will say 'If you don't vote your not having your say'.

But why should I vote if I don't feel there is anyone to vote for.

What did everyone else do?
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Alf ... dated:09 June 2017

Bacchus. You are very sadly misinformed. Please find a couple of financial news reports in the last month. If you want me to I could get you a couple of dozen:

‘Britain’s Brexit IPO (Initial Public Offering) boom continues with the news that the Irish government will float state-owned Allied Irish Banks (AIB) in London and in Dublin. City AM reports the bank could be valued at as much as €12 billion, making it London’s biggest flotation since the 2011 Glencore IPO, and one of the City’s largest listings for two decades.’

‘The chairman of Lloyds Banking Group Lord Blackwell has said the City can weather a “no deal” Brexit. In comments this morning reported by City AM, Blackwell said:“I’m not complacent, but I do think London and UK financial services can weather a situation where there is ‘no deal’… There is no single centre in Europe that is likely to emerge as being able to replace London.”’

Do you need the sources? I am not convinced many believe your anti-brexit rhetoric any more.

Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:08 June 2017

"I fear we will all get a rude awakening when this incompetent bunch try to lever us out of the EU."

If the mess that the government and various regulatory bodies have got themselves into by  failing to obtain and maintain a derogation (excusual) from the EU's Railways Technical Standard for Interoperability, to permit the continued use of domestic standards for electrification clearances in railway electrification schemes, is anything to go by then I do not have much faith in their ability to negotiate any half-decent Brexit deal.

British railways have a smaller loading guage and profile than railways on the European mainland. The TSI recognises this and so permits the UK to obtain a derogation to continue using its own standard of reduced electrical clearances, which have operated safely for over fifty years. However the derogation was not applied and so the continental clearance standards now have to be adopted, making railway electrification schemes much more expensive. For example, where a bridge had enough clearance under the old rules it might not have under the new rules, necessitating rebuilding or lowering the track.

The following article explains it in more detail but beware it is jargon heavy.

http://www.railengineer.uk/2017/02/24/egip-electrification-clearance-woes

(Other articles are available)

If this is an example of one government department's ability pre Brexit then goodness knows what we will end up with when negotiating across the board and every Tom, Dick and Quango puts their oar in. It does not inspire confidence.

Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Bacchus ... dated:08 June 2017
Well said Edward , I agree with your summary. I fear we will all get a rude awakening when this incompetent bunch try to lever us out of the EU. All this posturing is not going to help when the crunch comes.

It will soon become obvious that the best deal is the one we have now ,and that will be embarrassing! No extra cash, NHS loosing staff and unable to replace them , along with many other important positions. Our assembly of cars (for we hardly manufacture any) hamstrung by borders that need not exist. The exchequer loosing the City of London cash cow. Airbus moving wing assembly to France ( assembly again as we import all the parts ). Low pound ... more expensive food and all imports. No reciprocal health treatment for any of us.

But we can always rely on Trump, Hahaha 
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Edward ... dated:07 June 2017

Yes I have, many times, in all three of the unnecessary elections / ballots held in the last year.

The first, the referendum on EU membership, was considered by many people to be a device where the Tory party used the general public in order to face down the party's internal Europhobes. However it did not go according to plan and the result bit them on the backside, the leader then departed leaving someone else to sort out the resulting mess.

The second, I held my nose and voted for someone to be the errected Mayor of Greater Manchester, a new concept which came with the devolution package. Elected mayors might work in the USA but could be a dangerous concept in the UK, where too much power is placed unchecked in the hands of a single person. We now have two extra layers of bureaucracy, which has to be paid for, between central government and the district councils, the Mayor's department presiding over the unelected Greater Manchester Combined Authority. Central government devolved several money-pit departments to the Mayor / GMCA, along with a fixed grant. What happens when the cash runs out? Will local taxes, such as a resurrected 'contax' based on air quality or local councils' own schemes, such as Trafford Tories' Tidy-Garden Tax, make an appearance?

The third is a general election held three years early. Why? Many people suspect that it is being held purely for party advantage or that there is something unpopular yet to come. The government already had a working majority in the House of Commons along with a fragmented opposition. Our born-again Brexiteer, President May, claimed that the result of the referendum provided her with the authority to persue Brexit negotiations between the UK and the EU, initially without the approval of parliament. So, what is the need for this General Election?

Has anyone observed much election activity locally? Normally, because I hold a long term postal vote as my work could take me away from home on polling day, I tended to receive personalised election communications early in the campaign. This time I have received several communications, both personal and general, from Kate Green, a leaflet from the Christian candidate and a personal house visit plus a leaflet from the Liberal lady. Nothing from the Tories or UKIP, although the Tories did send a card, I think through the post, to the lady of the house but not to me. One side of the card had a few comments from Ms Cooke and the other had President May with the usual quotes. At least we should soon be hearing the last of the 'Strong and Stable' mantra. To me it always conjures up a vision of some well-to-do self-important person delegating the unpleasant job of mucking out their show horse to some less fortunate person well down the social pecking order!

Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:10 May 2017

Bacchus, you don't know whether I voted, you don't know my age and people who role out the 'negative' accusation when someone expresses their opinion aren't contributing to the debate. Maybe your wine harvests have been particularly good this year :-) 

Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Bacchus ... dated:09 May 2017

Graz... my case rests !

Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:08 May 2017
The Metro mayor was a deal-breaker for GM getting their hands on lots of money and the Northern Powerhouse continuing to be invested in. 'We' have voted in a mayor so watch as the money for health and social care goes to the more deprived areas of GM and more green belt disappears under unwanted rail lines and new housing schemes.
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Atlantean ... dated:07 May 2017

The Conservative Manifesto of 2015 includes the introduction of metro Mayors.

Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:05 May 2017

Council, ask the public? Ha, ha, ha, ha, Men are from Mars and women from Venus, where are you from? I can't stop laughing. 
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Aardvark ... dated:05 May 2017

But when were we asked to vote on the principle of a Combined Authority and a Mayor? This change was sprung on us by the Coalition government. I don't recall it being in anyone's manifesto for the 2010 election.

Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:05 May 2017

As the turn out was 30% it now means 70% will complain about the final result after doing nothing.
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Bacchus ... dated:05 May 2017

Good grief this is turning into the most curmudgeonly bunch of contributors anywhere. If you don't vote then you will have to try not to moan about any policies you don't agree with although I realise this will not come naturally to most of you!

Maybe its the demographic of the contributors that is the cause...age certainly doesn't  guarantee wisdom.

Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Aardvark ... dated:04 May 2017

I have, after much consideration, not voted at all. I didn't ask for an elected Mayor, or indeed a Combined Authority. And no-one asked me if I wanted them. I considered spoiling my vote but reasoned that even a spoilt vote just makes the turnout look better. I eventually decided to save Trafford Council the ten bob or whatever it costs to entrust a postal vote to the Royal Mail. And as Divad so sagely remarks, all the candidates are useless. Three of them couldn't even be bothered to tell us anything about themselves or what they were standing for.

We will end up with Burnham of course, but I don't want him thinking he's got my support or indeed anyone's support. The Stafford Hospital scandal, over which he claims to have "no regrets", still stains him.

Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:04 May 2017

I went and voted, surprise! you have to pick a second choice as well. Is that a case of "Plan B"?
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:04 May 2017

The option 'I don't want a mayor' is not available. It should be assumed that non-voters don't want one and include these in the results.

Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:04 May 2017

Vote for the Mayor today. You may as well take a pin with you for a selection they are all a bunch of....
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by DavidU ... dated:26 April 2011
"So the AV result will be decided by First Past The Post?"
 
Quite, but every voting system in effect reduces to the same outcome when there are only two candidates or options available as the one gaining the most first preferences, whether indicated by ranking of 1, 2 or the illiterate's X, will automatically gain more than 50% of the votes cast.
Things only become interesting when there are more than two available choices, be the method of election be by AV, STV, open party list, closed party list, supplementary member or whatever.
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:25 April 2011
So the AV result will be decided by First Past The Post?
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by DavidU ... dated:25 April 2011
"I have voted, so don't bother knocking on my door, same for the AV vote."
 
I have just put my votes in the post this morning. 
 
The local parties do not seem to be making much effort this year in my part of the world so I doubt if you will get many knocks on the door. Could be just 'assumption of safe seat syndrome' though. Having said that, a couple of weeks ago I did have representatives of the Green Party knock on my door, asking if I would be an assentor to their candidate's nomination. They had also asked some of my neighbours too, so I assume that they do not have any significant membership base in my local ward. The representatives actually seemed to be surprised that both my neighbour and myself actually knew about what they were seeking, apparantly most people whom they had approached did not have a clue about the electoral process! As their candidate's name appears on the ballot paper they must have rounded up enough valid signatures on the nomination papers.
 
I was rather amused that the referendum about replacing the X in a box with 1, 2, 3, etc. actually asked one to put an X in the box to indicate one's opinion! Mind you, there were only two possible choices given to voters.
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Ricky ... dated:20 April 2011
Further to Dave's point about signing out of the electoral role - be aware that if you do so you may not receive information about proposed projects in your area from developers etc. It's a double-edged sword. 
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Herb ... dated:20 April 2011
I have voted, so don't bother knocking on my door, same for the AV vote.
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Dave - urmston.net ... dated:28 August 2010
The voting registration forms are out this week. Councils retain two version of the electoral register - the full one containing your full details which has restricted access, and an edited version containing just your name and address details - which councils sell for direct marketing purposes. Anyone can purchase this data for £20 plus £1.50 for each 1,000 entries.
 
If you do not wish to have your address details sold by Trafford to businesses for direct marketing purposes then you should ensure that you tick the Edited register box.
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by SteveW ... dated:09 May 2007
Herb, I haven't applied for a postal vote, because in 22 years, I've only had two occassions where I was unable to vote.

To vote by post I have to apply, then when I get my voting forms vote early and on top of that I'm closer to the polling station than the post-box ;)
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Herb ... dated:09 May 2007
Steve W - Why don't you apply for a postal vote here
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by SteveW ... dated:09 May 2007
I didn't vote and I definitely want to retain the right not to vote - not because I wish to withhold my vote, but because I don't want to have to explain myself to officialdom if I don't.

I've been able to vote for twenty-two years and in that time I have missed only two votes. One in a general election when I was sent to work in another part of the country for a couple of days with only 12 hours notice and the second last week when we spent the evening in A&E after our son fell and injured himself at nursery. We did get out in time to vote, but he was way past his bedtime, starving and thirsty and that was our priority.

I would not like to feel that having missed voting, we would have to try and persuade some official of the validity of our reasons to avoid a fine.

It is certainly possible in the future that I might want to abstain purely because I do not wish to endorse any of the available candidates.
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Darren ... dated:09 May 2007
In Australia you have no choice but to vote, if you do not vote you get fined.. how bad is that.. you're lucky
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Gill ... dated:08 May 2007
I voted! Always do! I was very surprised however at the low turnout - do people not want their opinions heard? It takes less than 5 minutes.
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by Pete ... dated:08 May 2007
Someone who doesn't vote still pays for council services and has every right to expect value for money from them.

I want my council election vote to have some hire and fire power over senior council staff. At the moment, council services are funded mainly by central government grant, and councils have little policy making power. They mostly carry out the instructions of the national government, and council employees are unaccountable at a local level. A vote in the council elections is a waste of time and will remain so until local elections give local people the chance to get rid of poor performing senior officials and a major influence on local policies.
Re: Did you vote?
Reply posted by LD ... dated:08 May 2007
Taking this conversation down another route - does the person who waived their right to vote also waive their right to complain? I think they do. If you don't vote for a candidate don't complain about the councils services. If you were that bothered you would have voted in the first place!
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