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Damage caused by potholes
Topic posted by SteveJ ... dated:27 January 2008
Has anybody successfully obtained compensation from the Council after pothole damage to their car?
I hit a bad one last Tuesday on Davyhulme road at the top of Woodhouse, near the garden centre. it has damaged the alloy on my car. I didn't get a chance to go back to phtograph it until saturday, and found it had been filled.
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Reply posted by JohnH ... dated:02 February 2017

At last, BIG improvements to the surface of Barton Road, from the Nags Head to the Retail Park...it was a joy to cycle this route during the morning rush hour!

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Reply posted by Roxy ... dated:02 May 2012
Joze could not agree with you more, the rubbish around the Red Lion area is terrible, what happened to shop keepers having pride on how their shops looked from the front, Trafford council should start penalising any shop that doesn't clean up. The same goes for the council estates, I have heard years ago they employed rent officers who made sure the front of people's property's was kept to a high standard, on walking round the area their is rubbish in gardens, furniture etc!
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Reply posted by Joze ... dated:02 May 2012
What has happened to the borough of Trafford?

Once a smart tidy well looked after place to live now a run down un-maintained area.

The roads are a disgrace, Wood house Road, Bent Lanes Broadway, Cornhill Road, etc need I go on. The are pot holes everywhere and I'm fed up of having to pay for suspension repairs for my car. I have lived in Davyhulme over 50 years and used to feel proud of the area but now I'm sorry to say that I am ashamed to say that I live in Trafford. The state of the roads are a disgrace, its no good filling holes with tarmac only for it to perish a few weeks later. The roads need completely resurfacing. What happened to the road sweeper that used to clean our roads on a regular basis. What happened to the road vehicle which used to spray weed killer to maintain the roads. My poll tax has not reduced so why is no money being spent in Trafford. Oh sorry, Trafford are spending money on metal bike racks which have been randomly placed everywhere and which no one seems to use. Why is nothing getting done, what are our local MP's doing for the area?
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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:21 February 2012
You should complete the saying Tom, "Ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be wise, it is better to be ignorant like me."
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Reply posted by Tom ... dated:21 February 2012
Everyone I know drives a normal, humdrum car and the topic of damage from potholes or speed bumps has never, ever cropped up in conversation.
 
Most people who own cars don't know what engine oil does.  Or where the coolant goes.  Show them a punctured tyre and they'll call out the AA to fix it.  I've come across people who have never opened their bonnet.  These are people who rev their car on a cold morning to "make the engine warm up faster", or who drive 3 miles to work in the winter, and then find themselves stood at the side of the road with a flat battery, wondering what on earth has gone wrong.
 
As I said, ignorance is bliss.  But get any vehicle owner under their car and show them the damage from such hazards, and just about any car older than 5 years will be affected thusly - they'll soon change their tune.  
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Reply posted by Ed ... dated:21 February 2012
People can buy cars with plasticine wheels as far as I'm concerned, but if they did I'd expect them to drive carefully and not moan about any damage to them.
 
I've just noticed that many aggressive and speeding drivers seem to have gaudy and slightly sad looking cars - big 4x4s, 'sports' cars, silly styling to rear lights, front and rear fog lamps on when there is no fog, very thin looking tyres on shiny wheels etc etc and in the past they tended to consider bull bars or a fatuous aerofoil thingy on the boot as good ideas.
 
I'd like to know if complaints of damage to cars from roads comes disproportionately from owners of such cars. Everyone I know drives a normal, humdrum car and the topic of damage from potholes or speed bumps has never, ever cropped up in conversation.
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Reply posted by SteveJ ... dated:21 February 2012
Ed, I originally posted, and I'm probably older and a better driver than you are.
I agree with all Roady has said about alloys. When you hit a bad pothole (which can't always be seen due to road conditions) with large alloys, 17" in my case, then it doesn't take much to damage them.
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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:20 February 2012
And how many years is it since alloy wheels were considered an after market extra? They're standard on many makes. Maybe when I bought my latest car I should have asked for steel rims to be put on, cross-ply tyres and drum brakes.
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Reply posted by Roady ... dated:20 February 2012
Ed, really!
 
Alloy wheels are many times better than steel wheels, the allow better brake cooling, are much lighter so reduce un sprung weight which aids handling, they suffer less from corrosion from water introduced through airlines and the list goes on.
 
Regardless of the above, anyone should be able to own what they want without having it damaged by poor maintenence of roads.
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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:20 February 2012
Having read through the comments I don't see anyone disputing wear and tear especially after being subjected to poor road conditions. There is a huge difference though between hitting an unsuspecting pot hole and tackling speed bumps. Perhaps council should consider rumble strips as an alternative.
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Reply posted by Pragmatist ... dated:20 February 2012
It's great to see such earnest debate on a subject which certainly get's my blood boiling!!! I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that my car suffers significant wear and tear travelling around 1000 times a year up and down Woodhouse Road and Broadway which must be two of the worst roads in the Borough. It is inconcievable, test tracks or no test tracks, for a car not to be affected by having to navigate daily through the numerous bomb craters of various sizes and the remaining crumbling speed bumps that make up these roads and not sustain some damage.
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Reply posted by Ed ... dated:20 February 2012
Maybe the original poster who said a pothole damaged an 'alloy' on his car should get wheels made of a stronger alloy.The alloy that my car wheels are made of is called steel. It's very tough and durable.
 
My car came fitted with them as standard. I've noticed aftermarket shiny wheels on sale in Halfords, alongside other gaudy accessories aimed at boy racers of all ages. Could there be a link between the owners choice of wheels on a car, how badly it is driven and the damage it sustains during its life?
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Reply posted by Tom ... dated:20 February 2012
Graz they're not brick, it's just a stamp used to make them appear as though they're brick.  A bit like a cake cutter.
 
I'm amazed that people think suspension components have an infinite lifespan.  Ignorance is bliss. 
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Reply posted by Ids ... dated:20 February 2012
Do we have any dates as to when the Council will look to repair Lytham Road... (There is also a rather large hole on Irlam Road. Just before you get to the Lytham turning).
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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:18 February 2012
This picture doesn't do them justice, but this type are quite severe - made of brick, falling apart exposing sharp edges and too steep to even travel over at a crawl. Link
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Reply posted by Roady ... dated:18 February 2012
You really know little about what you are saying..
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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:18 February 2012
I would also like to add that the speed bumps you have in Urmston are pimples compared to many around the world. In Canada they lay a strip of concrete around four inches in height right across the width of the road, try hitting that at any speed, ouch! Plus there is no way around them you have to slow down.
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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:18 February 2012
Surely if a car can survive a test-track run-out, it can handle being driven over a raised hump incorrectly? 
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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:18 February 2012
Once more exaggeration creeps into the topic. In 1963 I was afforded the opportunity to drive a Ford Consul on a test track at a company called Grosvenor Motors in Johannesburg. The tests that car was put through especially with regard to its suspension had to be experienced to be believed. I drove over bumps and obstacles that any user would hope never to find on any road without mishap. No matter what surface your car is on the suspension is working away regardless as it is designed to do. I repeat, it is the way drivers tackle such obstacles that causes the damage.
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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:18 February 2012
So let's be clear - travelling down a road with speed bumps 1,000 times a year causes the same wear as travelling down the same road with no speed bumps.  Regardless of how you drive over them, there is more stress being put on the suspension mechanism. Plus, being a one time passenger in the back of an ambulance I can safely say speed bumps are an unhealthy obsession.
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Reply posted by DavidU ... dated:18 February 2012
"I still agree with Ed, to drive over a speed bump in a correct fashion will not cause damage. To hit an unsuspecting pot hole is a different matter, but it comes down to driving with due care and attention."
 
I agree that by driving with reasonable care and attention on a fine dry day one should be able to spot a pothole in good time to take avoiding action or at least reduce speed enough to minimise any damage to one's vehicle. However, on a dark wet night, when potholes are full of water, they are almost impossible to spot, even when walking. The modern street lights, which are gradually replacing the older sodium lights, do not have the same oomph as the older lights, being less bright and lacking contrast, tend not to highlight road markings, defects and obstructions to the same extent.
 
How much damage to wheels, tyres, suspension and steering is inflicted on their cars by their drivers?
I refer to those who are incapable of parking the thing without clouting the kerb. Parallel parking seems to be a lost art, many drivers now pull into a space forward, mount the kerb with their front wheel and then drop down off the kerb again. Sometimes the vehicle is then left with the front tyre squashed against the kerb. It must do wonders for the health of their tyres.
Then there are those who have no idea how wide their vehicle is. They swing into the side of the road, bounce up the kerb with two wheels and come to rest half on the footpath, where they then abandon their car. When they return they then bounce down off the kerb again as they drive off.
 
How much damage is done by hitting a five inch high kerb compared with hitting a five inch deep pothole? Still, it must provide good business for companies such as ATS, replacing tyres and suspension parts.
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Reply posted by Ed ... dated:18 February 2012
'I'm talking about parts that were designed to last 100,000 miles only lasting for 25,000 miles because we have roads in worse condition than rural Kenya.' 
 
Ever thought of emigrating Tom?
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Reply posted by Ed ... dated:18 February 2012
George,
 
I'm sure some AA members are concerned about the condition of our roads. However, we should not forget that only a small minority of motorists pay the AA for its services. Nor should we forget that motorists are not the only owners of the UK's roads. Everyone owns them. Finally, we shouldn't forget that the AA is a purely commercial organisation. It serves its shareholders, not the public.
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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:18 February 2012
Tom if you have been told once you have been told 1000 times, don't exaggerate.
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Reply posted by Tom ... dated:18 February 2012
I still agree with Ed, to drive over a speed bump in a correct fashion will not cause damage. To hit an unsuspecting pot hole is a different matter, but it comes down to driving with due care and attention.
 
You're thinking about the driver who drives over something, hears a loud noise, and finds that his car is damaged.
 
I'm talking about parts that were designed to last 100,000 miles only lasting for 25,000 miles because we have roads in worse condition than rural Kenya. 
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Reply posted by clrMikeCordingley ... dated:17 February 2012
Ed,
I agree with you to an extent. George is just making sure that we get the broadest input into spending a limited budget. At the end of the day, the highways officers will still apply an objective analysis. We might get a better final decision; we will definitely be clearer about the roads that were in the running.
 
Mike Cordingley
Councillor for Gorse Hill Ward
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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:17 February 2012
I still agree with Ed, to drive over a speed bump in a correct fashion will not cause damage. To hit an unsuspecting pot hole is a different matter, but it comes down to driving with due care and attention.
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Reply posted by Roady ... dated:17 February 2012
Ed, as a mechanic, you are wrong, modern cars with lerger wheels and low profile tyres (especially Fords) are getting trashed on these roads, speed bumps like it or not damage both cars and the services near them, they cause drain fractures, burst pipes, they are constantly vibrating foundations, in fact there are seismic surveys every so often to see how bad it is.
 
I heard tell of a German visitor to these shores who was astonished to hear we spend tens of thousands of pounds to make the roads worse to travel on!
 
To balance, after a few years moaning about on going temporary repairs to the road ours is off, they turned up this year and resurfaced both that road and ours, and I must say, to a very high standard, so thank you for that!
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Reply posted by George ... dated:17 February 2012
Ed,
 
You might find that you are in the minority of motorists not complaning...:
 
http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/news/big-pothole-count.html
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