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Commuter Train Service from Urmston
Topic posted by Anjie ... dated:17 September 2004
Does anyone else think this is appalling? It seems ok over summer, but as soon as the number of people using the 7.50 / 8.15 services increases the train company can't cope!
Not to mention the ridiculous heating system which seems to be set to permanent sub tropical levels. There are laws against transporting animals in such conditions.

The sad thing is our service is probably good compared to others across the country (and the trams look even worse). When are we going to do something about it?!!
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Reply posted by AnotherPete ... dated:29 June 2017

Northern Rail will be on strike again 8th, 9th & 10th July (Saturday, Sunday & Monday) so expect disruption on those days.

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Reply posted by Atlantean ... dated:27 June 2017

The improvements pre-date the Green Belt plan. They were signed off a couple of years ago, but their implimentation is over the course of the franchise.

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Reply posted by Divad ... dated:25 June 2017

Why not? It is time the public in general accept this Green Belt proposal for the future of all generations.
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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:25 June 2017
Sunday services at Flixton will be beneficial but I suspect the real reason behind this is to tick one of the requirements for the housing development planned for the golf course.
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Reply posted by Atlantean ... dated:25 June 2017

Minutes of the 16th June Transport for Greater Manchester Committee show that local rail services were discussed. From May 2018, Sunday services will stop at Flixton too. 

TfGM Officers have requested that Northern investigate the possibility of the new Northern Connect services to the Airport stopping at Urmston. This is however a longer-term objective dependant on the new station at Warrington West.

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Reply posted by Atlantean ... dated:27 April 2017

Graz,

Acording to the New Station Fund 2 Application form for the proposed Warrington West Station dated 25/11/16:

"Two stopping services are to call at Warrington West. These currently operate between Liverpool Lime/ Street /and Manchester Oxford Road, but are likely to be extended through to Buxton/New Mills Newtown once the Northern Hub infrastructure enhancements in the Castlefield corridor have been implemented (due to removal of the bay platform at Manchester Oxford Road). Whilst these services operate as skip stop services along the CLC (for operational reasons), direct services from Warrington West to all stations along the CLC route will be offered through a combination of the two stopping services."

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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:26 April 2017

Thanks Atlantean. Being able to access Piccadilly directly will be a big improvement although the service may be busier as a result.

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Reply posted by Atlantean ... dated:25 April 2017

I understood our local services will continue through Piccadilly to Stockport and Buxton once the Oxford Road bay is closed.

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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:25 April 2017

Hi Mike

Sounds ominous. A strengthed majority after the GE may tempt someone to try and dilute the investment going into the Northern Hub. As you say, the Ordsall Chord and it's new bridge is not going to fulfil any potential on its own.

The obvious problem is that a terminating service waiting to 'turn around' will be using up valuable platform space whichever station it's stopped at. Lengthening the platforms at Oxford Road is proposed to increase capacity so having a stopper waiting is not beneficial. A bay platform is the answer!

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Reply posted by clrMikeCordingley ... dated:25 April 2017

Graz,

Re Train's terminating at Oxford Road or continuing onto Piccadilly.

I don't think we'll get a definitive answer until the funding for the platforms 15 and 16 at Piccadilly is secured from Government.

Can't stress enough how vital they are to any improvement to capacity, frequency and extracting value from the investment that's gone into the Ordsall Chord.

Kate Green asked the question in parliament quite recently  . Chris Grayling is not a fan of public transport and answered with a fudge and it's pretty clear that Theresa May is not an admirer of George Osborne, with whom this project is particularly associated.

Where that will leave our service is a moot point. Northern (Arriva) are quite keen to develop Northern Connect as part of their franchise. Essentially that's train services linking medium towns of 80,000 plus population. Warrington would fit that bill. The problem for stations in Urmston and Stretford is that Northern really do have to improve the quality of service on our line as it's always one of the worst performing in the North West. We really need those additional platforms at Piccadilly.

Mike Cordingley
Labour Councillor for Gorse Hill Ward
gorsehill-labour.co.uk

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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:24 April 2017
Under the Northern Hub plans, the bay platform at Oxford Road will be lost - does anyone know what will happen to the local service - continue to terminate at Oxford Road or continue to Piccadilly as it used to?

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Reply posted by Atlantean ... dated:11 March 2017

You'd need to change at Warrington Central for TransPennine Express or East Midlands Trains to Liverpool.

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Reply posted by Aardvark ... dated:11 March 2017

Thanks. This looks like a very limited service, running once an hour and calling only at Warrington Central, Padgate, Birchwood, Irlam, Flixton, Urmston and Manchester Oxford Road. It will not even call at Deansgate.

And as far as I can make out, it will not go west of Warrington, so anyone that needs to get to Liverpool will probably have to go into Manchester first, or else go across Warrington to Bank Quay station. There will be no evening service either. Definitely a day to stop at home, if you have that option.

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Reply posted by Atlantean ... dated:09 March 2017

Strike Action will take place on the Northern network on Monday 13th March. Northern have issued a revised timetable for our line, available here:

Further details here: https://www.northernrailway.co.uk/industrial-action

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Reply posted by Dave - urmston.net ... dated:11 December 2012
Graz, it's better than it was a few years ago in that you're no longer having to stand shoulder to shoulder on a daily basis. Also, in the evening the situation where the train is too full to take on passengers from Deansgate is no longer a regular occurrence. Recently however, the service has been prone to delays and cancellations in the morning which has a knock on effect that it can be too full by the time it arrives at Urmston.

The overall service is still very poor and the issuing of tickets remains a prime objective - above that of making the train run on time. I'm not convinced that the service is sustainable though as more and more people choose to work from home. For anyone that works fixed hours, the train is not really a viable option.
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Reply posted by AnotherPete ... dated:10 December 2012
No idea on weekdays - I got sick of standing every day so now drive to Manchester when I'm there. This weekend though we got the 1.18 from Urmston to Manchester on Saturday, or at least we tried. The train arrived late, was 2 coaches, and stopped at the Flixton end of the platform. A few people got off, the doors closed, and the train pulled away without letting anyone on despite there being enough standing room for all of us. The same thing happened when we went to Manchester a couple of weekends ago. Absolutely disgraceful, especially when they're perfectly happy to cram people in like sardines through the week. We ended up getting the bus to Manchester. And they wonder why people don't use public transport. 
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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:10 December 2012
How's this service doing? Have the additional carriages in the peak times made life more bearable - I haven't used the train for some time now as I decided that the conditions were not worth it when I could get a lift in a warm car.
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Reply posted by AndyW ... dated:18 August 2011
Those Pacers are terrible.  Made from old bus parts.  Plates of metal held together with rivets on old freight train chassis which bounce all over the place on the huge springs you can see under the doors and about the same size as a tram.  
 
I like how they always run one at 5:15 from Oxford Road which is pretty much the busiest train of the day.  It doesn't make any sense as they are way too small.
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Reply posted by clrMikeCordingley ... dated:14 August 2011
Boblet,
 
That's my understanding. There's an element of 'fingers crossed' because the Pacers only have a limited amount of service in them. I think they become illegal by 2018(?) due to the requirement of the DDA. The electrified northern route (via Newton Le Willows) becomes more attractive for investment and that's the risk. However, as it stands we have the commitment and I'm glad of it.
 
I'll pass on anything else that's relevant to our services on the line.
 
Mike Cordingley
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Reply posted by Boblet ... dated:14 August 2011
Graz, the extra 22 carriages are 7 Pacers & 4 Sprinters....
 
Thanks Mike - look as though by 2016, there'll be 4 trains between Liverpool, Warrington and Manchester. 2 fast trains (not stopping at Urmston) and 2 slower trains of 4 carriages which will stop at Urmston. The two faster trains will load more between Liverpool and Warrington, therefore the 2 trains stopping at Urmston should be quieter. Looks like they hope more travellers between Liverpool and Manchester will use the additional fast trains on the Newton Le Willows line, which should divert some passengers from our line.
 
Looks like the whole project will take 5 years, but that it begins with extra carriages from this December. Hopefully by Dec 2016, we'll be benefiting from more seats, and hopefully a more reliable service due to rerouting, although we'll have rolling stock that's around 30-35 years old!! I hope by this point, the Pacers will be withdrawn and replaced, and that if we still have the Sprinters, they have had a comprehensive refurbishment.
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Reply posted by Boblet ... dated:12 August 2011
Thanks for the links Mike, will have a good look at the information over the weekend.
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Reply posted by Graz ... dated:12 August 2011
"Northern Rail run trains across the north of England, serving a population of nearly 15 million and lease around 290 trains, both diesel and electric." 
 
"Northern Rail will get 22 extra train carriages"
 
 
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Reply posted by clrMikeCordingley ... dated:11 August 2011
This is a continuation of the previous comment and adds a little back-ground to the Rail Utilisation Strategy.
 
I meant to include a link to the explanation I had requested but sleepiness sabotaged my intention.
 
Mike Cordingley
Councillor for Gorse Hill
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Reply posted by clrMikeCordingley ... dated:11 August 2011
Boblet,
 
Thanks for the link to that article. I thought you might be interested in this dialogue which related to the Transport for Greater Manchester Committee (formerly GMPTA) of 15th July 2011. Apologies that its rather jargon-heavy and technical in places but nevertheless it is relevant to the topic.
 
One of the agenda items was the Route Utilisation Strategy. This strategy covers the use of lines and stations and describes the mix between commuter and express services, which is probably the key conundrum on our line and the service it provides to our Trafford stations between Flixton and Trafford Park, and beyond.
 
The only reference to our line is in the appendix which I've copied to a Google Doc here to highlight the relevant section.
 
Mike Cordingley
Councillor for Gorse Hill
 
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Reply posted by Boblet ... dated:11 August 2011
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Reply posted by AnotherPete ... dated:24 March 2011
Boblet - Thanks, that makes a bit more sense.  Hopefully one day they'll reopen Mayfield Station (next to Piccadilly - currently derelict) and improve the capacity even more.
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Reply posted by Boblet ... dated:24 March 2011
Pete, as I understand it from what I've read. Specific benefits are that the current Transpennine and East Midlands trains would probably both go via Chat Moss to Victoria (rather than Piccadilly) and onwards to Yorkshire and the East Midlands.
 
This frees up some gaps between Deansgate and Piccadilly. We may well see one gap used for an additional semi-fast additional service from Warrington Central to Piccadilly and the Airport stopping at Urmston. The redirection of TransPennine & East Midland services to Chat Moss and Victoria would mean that local stopping trains could again stop at Flixton, Trafford Park etc on a more regular basis. We would see our trains have their reliability improved because of less interference from express services.
 
As I say, this is what I understand, not something I have any in-depth knowledge of.
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Reply posted by AnotherPete ... dated:24 March 2011
Maybe I'm missing something but will this investment in the "Ordsall Chord" actually improve anything?  As I see it the scheme is that trains from Victoria will be able to go through to Piccadilly by passing through Salford Central, following the new viaduct, then heading to Piccadilly via Deansgate and eventually arriving at platform 13 before heading out.  Isn't Deansgate / Oxford Road already a huge bottleneck, and won't this just make things worse unless they somehow add extra lines through Deansgate / Oxford Road, without which there will be more problems for us?
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Reply posted by Boblet ... dated:23 March 2011
Graz,
 
Along with the electrification of the Liverpool to Manchester line via Chat Moss and Eccles, there could be a big reorganisation. Some TransPennine services may be re-routed via Chat Moss Line to Victoria and beyond, which would free up capacity on 'our line' for more punctual and more frequent services, possibly either extending to Piccadilly or even Victoria, or even beyond.
 
The Northern Hub should be completed by 2016, and I think the electrification of Chat Moss line will be completed by 2014, so some big changes later this decade!
 
Separately, GMPTE are looking at adding an additional peak AM train from Warrington to Oxford Road.
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